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Tommer wrote:

Ive made a few changes to my diet this week as I want to start to get bigger. Have a look and tell me what you think:

Breakfast: 100g porridge with honey and a protein shake(made with low fat milk)

Snack 1: 2 eggs 4 egg whites, 75g wholewheat pasta, 25g almonds

Lunch: Protein shake, about 120g wholewheat pasta, slice of wholegrain bread with peanut butter GET RID OF THIS

Snack 2: tin of tuna with onion and light mayo on a bagle GET RID OF THIS

Dinner: what ever is cooked in the house, usually around 2 small baked potatoes, frozen veg and meat (depending on what it is, usually have 2 of what ever, eg. 2 bugers, 2chickenbreast)

Postworkout: Protein shake and carbs like cereal (100g) or cream crackers (4-5 crackers) GET RID OF THIS

Whats it look like?
I want to get bigger (not huge) but I dont want to put on a load of bodyfat either, Dont mind a bit that I can lose.

Cheers

Oh whoops sorry i thought this was a cut diet!

Yeah this is not a bulk.

This is an insult is what it is.

Cheers for the reply,

What should I eat post workout then? Thought you need simple carbs to burn off to help protein absorbtion and to stop you body going catabolic?

Do I not need carbs to keep my body anabolic? Thats why I was having tuna on a bagle and the crackers postworkout
How many grams of carbs should get per day?

Tommer wrote:

Cheers for the reply,

What should I eat post workout then? Thought you need simple carbs to burn off to help protein absorbtion and to stop you body going catabolic?

Do I not need carbs to keep my body anabolic? Thats why I was having tuna on a bagle and the crackers postworkout
How many grams of carbs should get per day?

Well actually you would be correct there for bulking i just didnt want to edit my comment cuz i was in a big rush out the house.

Eh yeah have a monster energy drink pwo with 1 scoop protein or 1.5 scoops...

Eh you really just need to up your game calorie wise if you ware to make any noticeable and efficient progress.

You wont get fat...your waist will probs push out in size but that just helps with the big movements

Liquid high g.i carbs would be preferable to cereal or crackers for quicker absorption...

Eh you really just need to up your game calorie wise if you ware to make any noticeable and efficient progress.

So can I leave the bagle and stuff in and continue with the diet I posted?
(adding more eggs to snack1 for protein)

or

should I drop the bagle and stuff and just eat more porridge at breakfast instead?

What sort of amount of carbs should I aim for, im going by ck's advise of about 245 protein, 150 - 200 carb, around 40 fat

Cheers for the info mate, finding it hard to get the diet bang on the head!

Tommer wrote:

Eh you really just need to up your game calorie wise if you ware to make any noticeable and efficient progress.

So can I leave the bagle and stuff in and continue with the diet I posted?
(adding more eggs to snack1 for protein)

or

should I drop the bagle and stuff and just eat more porridge at breakfast instead?

What sort of amount of carbs should I aim for, im going by ck's advise of about 245 protein, 150 - 200 carb, around 40 fat

Cheers for the info mate, finding it hard to get the diet bang on the head!

Well I mean why dont you just have a protein shake real quick with breakfast in the morning? You are busy with school i assume yeah?

1) porridge/ protein/ fruit/honey thrown in with porridge

2) chicken sandwiches and peanut butter or nuts

3) protein shake and fruit and nuts

4) steak and vadge and pasta

* Have more carbs obviously when you are hungry on training days and throw in an extra bowl or 2 of porridge at night and get your tuna or other protein sources in for another 2 meals at night.

Cheat with double cheeseburgers twice a week or just have a whole cheat day

you will not want a cheat day when bulking so its always nice i find to opt for the mcdonalds twice a week at the start of a bulk before the fat starts to come on. When you are into the bulk for a month or 2 you will wnat to just clean it up again before cutting.

I do have a shake with breakfast!
Have 1 with breakfast, 1 with lunch and 1 postworkout.

Cheating isnt really a problem for me for some reason! Most I do is pints at the weekend which is even limited now cause its so close to the leaving,

So could I do maybe this:

Breakfast: 60g porridge with honey and a protein shake made with milk (100g would be too much that early I think, and porridge is starting to get sickening!)

Snack 1: 4-5 egg whites, 75g wholewheat pasta, 25g almonds

Lunch: 120g Whole wheat pasta and a shake

Snack 2: tin of tuna with onion + light mayo (bagle maybe? is it too much?)

Dinner: same as earlier, whatevers on offer at home

Postworkout: Shake, some form of simple carbs (banana/sports drink or something?)

Thinking of cellmass too not sure on it though yet, probably in summer

Tommer wrote:

I do have a shake with breakfast!
Have 1 with breakfast, 1 with lunch and 1 postworkout.

Cheating isnt really a problem for me for some reason! Most I do is pints at the weekend which is even limited now cause its so close to the leaving,

So could I do maybe this:

Breakfast: 60g porridge with honey and a protein shake made with milk (100g would be too much that early I think, and porridge is starting to get sickening!)

Snack 1: 4-5 egg whites, 75g wholewheat pasta, 25g almonds

Lunch: 120g Whole wheat pasta and a shake

Snack 2: tin of tuna with onion + light mayo (bagle maybe? is it too much?)

Dinner: same as earlier, whatevers on offer at home

Postworkout: Shake, some form of simple carbs (banana/sports drink or something?)

Thinking of cellmass too not sure on it though yet, probably in summer

Pints dont aid with muscle gain. Double cheeseburgers do. I had 4 last night and it worked out at 3200 kcal.

grand ill keep that in mind!

Hows that diet plan looking though?

Tommer wrote:

I do have a shake with breakfast!
Have 1 with breakfast, 1 with lunch and 1 postworkout.

Cheating isnt really a problem for me for some reason! Most I do is pints at the weekend which is even limited now cause its so close to the leaving,

So could I do maybe this:

Breakfast: 60g porridge with honey and a protein shake made with milk (100g would be too much that early I think, and porridge is starting to get sickening!) 100 gr porridge mutherfucker!

Snack 1: 4-5 egg whites, 75g wholewheat pasta, 25g almonds good

Lunch: 120g Whole wheat pasta and a shake good

Snack 2: tin of tuna with onion + light mayo (bagle maybe? is it too much?) grand

Dinner: same as earlier, whatevers on offer at home yeah

Postworkout: Shake, some form of simple carbs (banana/sports drink or something?) yeah

Thinking of cellmass too not sure on it though yet, probably in summer

Still try and increase them fucking calories!

Im Trying!
What food source is best? more carbs? more protein?

hi

I think before u change anything u need to decide what it is u want to do. The only way to get bigger that it is noticeable in the mirror on a weekly basis is to gain a substansial amount of fat. If this is what u do want to do then u need to increase kcal.

If you want to improve overall shape and structure stick with what u have and train hard and lift heavy weight.

What would i recommend??
For sure i would say to anyone less experienced than me to keep the diet solid year round, keep the body fat low also! By doing this you will increase hardness, muscularity, and vascularity and will expierance modest gains but they will be real solid muscle!

I however have not done this and have bulked and cut over the past few years whilst training 'seriously' and i do not recommend it. If i could turn back the clock a few months i would have not bulked to such an extent this off season. And in the future i will be staying tight all year.... no doubt! i have learnt from my mistakes! Also once u are lean for a long time ur body will allow u to eat more and not gain fat!

Having said all this i feel u can defo improve the diet but see no reason for u to eat excessively. also i don't recommend cheese burgers for anythin other than a tasty treat which is of course fine once a week,

i am happy to outline a diet i would eat if i were u, if u'd like but no time right now.... gotta go eat and train

ck wrote:

hi

If you want to improve overall shape and structure stick with what u have and train hard and lift heavy weight.

What would i recommend??
For sure i would say to anyone less experienced than me to keep the diet solid year round, keep the body fat low also! By doing this you will increase hardness, muscularity, and vascularity and will expierance modest gains but they will be real solid muscle!

Thats it exactly! I dont want a hugh bulk at all, id like to stay relatively around the BF I am now but increase mass a bit more steadily over a few months. At least do that for summer, dont want to be packing on a load of fat for the summer!

Do you think the diet there I posted would be ok for doing that ck? any changes I should make to it?

Using that meal planner on Maximuscle I added it up and it says im getting about 2270 cals per day, 242g protein 227g carbs and 46g fat
Would I see gains off that or should I up it some more? if so how can I do that while minimising fat gain?

Cheers

I dunno i guess its my metabolism and hard training that allows me to eat so much cheeseburgers. I definitely gained better size and strength from dirtying up my bulk diets.

What you think of the diet ck, is it ok for what Im aiming for?